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Re: interesting controller/Ableton Push

Hi Todd

You're using it with Ableton or other software? 
And would you say the pads are more sensitive than Maschine?
I have some problems with Maschine and the pads.  They're not real responsive.  I've adjusted sensitivity etc and still have to bang a good bit to get a note and so can't access lower velocities.  Fine for blitz music but not so hot for the softer stuff.

I've heard this is different when using Maschine in MIDI mode.

Also, the newest Maschine OS makes it unusable for triggering MIDI.  Had to go back to an old OS.

I would use it with Pro Tools HDX triggering Slate SSD4.  But if I got Ableton with it, that would be fun.  I've been meaning to learn it.  Still, I'd ALSO want to use it as a drum pad controller for Slate to Pro Tools to Vienna Ensemble Pro5.

I think.  

Maybe Ableton would CHANGE ME!  Eee yi yi!


On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Todd Reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
It has a user mode which allows you to tweak to your heart's content.

Or call me at 917.576.6166 (or text)

On Mar 7, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately I can't go, but it would be great to see a MIDI
> implementation chart for Push. I've learned from the Abe forum that
> Push is not programable so it would be awesome just to know exactly
> what CC#s are sent out from the different knobs and ribbon. Knowing
> that one could estimate how useful Push would be for generic
> electronics control.
> Greetings from Sweden
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Amy Lee <amy@jumpingrobot.com> wrote:
>> <plug> :)
>> I know members of this list span the globe, but for those who are in the San
>> Francisco area I am trying to book a special presentation of Push for the
>> April gathering of the San Francisco Electronic Music Meetup
>> (http://meetup.com/sf-emm). I'll know more in a couple of days (hopefully).
>> If there are certain things people want a demo of, I can put that request to
>> the presenter. :)
>> Amy
>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> @mark,
>>> If you connect a USB cable to a laptop running Live 9.x it does indeed
>>> "work like that". It actually lets you control the Live application
>>> from the pad, very much like an extension of the well known Roland TR
>>> step sequencing concept.
>>> But I'm more interested in simply playing MIDI notes from it, just
>>> like any MIDI piano keyboard - but with a smarter chromatic keyboard
>>> layout. In order to do that you only need to open a virtual instrument
>>> in whatever laptop application picking up at the other end of the USB
>>> cable. Practically no tweaking at all.
>>> If you want to use it to control a custom looping rig you may very
>>> well there will of course be a lot of mapping and tweaking. Maybe you
>>> were actually talking only about this third alternative?
>>> But for using it as an instrument that plays
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.perboysen.com
>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Jesus Christ.. Does it work like that out of the box? I think not... !
>>>> Can you imagine the hellish days and days of fiddly little assigning and
>>>> mapping and tweaking... Looks so much like a job... not fun at all!
>>>> I bet they sell a lot based on the lights tho... vewwy vewwy pweeedy!
>>>> I might get one just to go on the wall!
>>>> Mark
>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Philip Conway
>>>> <Philip.Conway@bristol.ac.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I pre-ordered Push yesterday.  It's a sizable lump of money for a
>>>>> controller - especially one that I haven't been able to try out first
>>>>> hand -
>>>>> but I couldn't resist the introductory offer.  It'll be here in just
>>>>> 12-14
>>>>> weeks!...
>>>>> I'm quite excited about its potential as an instrument.  One appealing
>>>>> thing is that, if the early reviews are to be believed, it is very well
>>>>> made
>>>>> and feels heavy and solid.  This is no small thing for a musical
>>>>> instrument.
>>>>> It's much easier to 'lose yourself' and get into 'the zone', as they
>>>>> say, if
>>>>> you're playing something that just feels solid and high quality, rather
>>>>> than
>>>>> flimsy and plasticy.  And, for me, whether or not you can 'lose
>>>>> yourself' in
>>>>> an instrument is ultimately the marker of whether it's any good or not.
>>>>> In many ways Push makes much more sense than a traditional keyboard for
>>>>> performing and composing electronic music since it allows any scalar
>>>>> mapping
>>>>> of notes and makes that mapping intuitive by providing visual feedback.
>>>>> In
>>>>> this way it seems to let the player find relationships between notes
>>>>> and
>>>>> sounds that don't rigidly adhere to the c-major scale structure of the
>>>>> piano-style keyboard.
>>>>> This is how it should be for electronic music, which is not being
>>>>> limited
>>>>> to the physical mechanisms of objects like the piano.  The piano
>>>>> keyboard
>>>>> was an elegant invention but it resulted to some degree from the
>>>>> physical
>>>>> requirements of whacking strings with little hammers.  Electronic music
>>>>> is
>>>>> completely free from such physical connections but, with some expensive
>>>>> exceptions (e.g. the Haken Continuum), instrument or interface design
>>>>> has
>>>>> lagged a long way behind what programmers and sound designers have
>>>>> achieved.
>>>>> Push looks like a step in the right direction in that respect.  It's
>>>>> not
>>>>> revolutionary in concept but it appears to have been very well done -
>>>>> at
>>>>> least I hope so!
>>>>> Philip.
>>>>> --On 07 March 2013 12:15 +0100 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:36 AM, michael noble <looplog@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.weareroli.com/
>>>>>>> Anyone know anything more about this company or the controller?
>>>>>> Looks cool, like a "piano submarine" :-)  A little thin on information
>>>>>> that page, isn't it? From the video it seems as notes are located in
>>>>>> linear way, similar to a piano?
>>>>>> I must say I'm more intrigued by Ableton's new instrument Push, due to
>>>>>> its non linear location of notes. The chromatic scale layout on Push
>>>>>> is based on rows differing by a fourths and this creates what to me
>>>>>> seems to very playable note locations. In fact, the hand patterns are
>>>>>> the same as if tapping a fourths tuned fretted string instrument.
>>>>>> Another aspect I like with the Push is that some notes appear at
>>>>>> several positions and can be played in unison but with different
>>>>>> attack/_expression_, this too in common with fretted string instruments.
>>>>>> I've been using an Akai EWI4000s for some years and think it is the
>>>>>> most (musically) expressive MIDI controller instruments I've come
>>>>>> across. Since it is based on breath control rather than
>>>>>> hitting-something-with-a-hand velocity it a challenge to program good
>>>>>> synth patches to play. I think Yamaha was great in the 80s with breath
>>>>>> control but since then not much product development seems to have
>>>>>> happend im this area. THat's odd, thinking about how a simple hose to
>>>>>> blow into increases the expressiveness of any simple keyboard.
>>>>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>>>> Per Boysen
>>>>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Francombe
>>>> www.markfrancombe.com
>>>> www.ordoabkhao.com
>>>> http://vimeo.com/user825094
>>>> http://www.looop.no
>>>> twitter @markfrancombe
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

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