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Re: interesting controller/Ableton Push



Here's a first drawing:
http://julienbayle.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/UserMode_fromPush.png

Ben

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Todd Reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
(08/03/2013 00:22)

> It has a user mode which allows you to tweak to your heart's content. 
> 
> Or call me at 917.576.6166 (or text)
> 
> On Mar 7, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Unfortunately I can't go, but it would be great to see a MIDI
> > implementation chart for Push. I've learned from the Abe forum that
> > Push is not programable so it would be awesome just to know exactly
> > what CC#s are sent out from the different knobs and ribbon. Knowing
> > that one could estimate how useful Push would be for generic
> > electronics control.
> > 
> > Greetings from Sweden
> > 
> > Per Boysen
> > www.perboysen.com
> > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Amy Lee <amy@jumpingrobot.com> wrote:
> >> <plug> :)
> >> 
> >> I know members of this list span the globe, but for those who are in 
> >> the San
> >> Francisco area I am trying to book a special presentation of Push for 
> >> the
> >> April gathering of the San Francisco Electronic Music Meetup
> >> (http://meetup.com/sf-emm). I'll know more in a couple of days 
> >> (hopefully).
> >> 
> >> If there are certain things people want a demo of, I can put that 
> >> request to
> >> the presenter. :)
> >> 
> >> Amy
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> 
> >> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> @mark,
> >>> 
> >>> If you connect a USB cable to a laptop running Live 9.x it does 
> >>> indeed
> >>> "work like that". It actually lets you control the Live application
> >>> from the pad, very much like an extension of the well known Roland TR
> >>> step sequencing concept.
> >>> 
> >>> But I'm more interested in simply playing MIDI notes from it, just
> >>> like any MIDI piano keyboard - but with a smarter chromatic keyboard
> >>> layout. In order to do that you only need to open a virtual 
> >>> instrument
> >>> in whatever laptop application picking up at the other end of the USB
> >>> cable. Practically no tweaking at all.
> >>> 
> >>> If you want to use it to control a custom looping rig you may very
> >>> well there will of course be a lot of mapping and tweaking. Maybe you
> >>> were actually talking only about this third alternative?
> >>> 
> >>> But for using it as an instrument that plays
> >>> 
> >>> Greetings from Sweden
> >>> 
> >>> Per Boysen
> >>> www.perboysen.com
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, mark francombe 
> >>> <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Jesus Christ.. Does it work like that out of the box? I think 
> >>>> not... !
> >>>> Can you imagine the hellish days and days of fiddly little 
> >>>> assigning and
> >>>> mapping and tweaking... Looks so much like a job... not fun at all!
> >>>> 
> >>>> I bet they sell a lot based on the lights tho... vewwy vewwy 
> >>>> pweeedy!
> >>>> I might get one just to go on the wall!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Mark
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Philip Conway
> >>>> <Philip.Conway@bristol.ac.uk>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I pre-ordered Push yesterday.  It's a sizable lump of money for a
> >>>>> controller - especially one that I haven't been able to try out 
> >>>>> first
> >>>>> hand -
> >>>>> but I couldn't resist the introductory offer.  It'll be here in 
> >>>>> just
> >>>>> 12-14
> >>>>> weeks!...
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I'm quite excited about its potential as an instrument.  One 
> >>>>> appealing
> >>>>> thing is that, if the early reviews are to be believed, it is very 
> >>>>> well
> >>>>> made
> >>>>> and feels heavy and solid.  This is no small thing for a musical
> >>>>> instrument.
> >>>>> It's much easier to 'lose yourself' and get into 'the zone', as 
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> say, if
> >>>>> you're playing something that just feels solid and high quality, 
> >>>>> rather
> >>>>> than
> >>>>> flimsy and plasticy.  And, for me, whether or not you can 'lose
> >>>>> yourself' in
> >>>>> an instrument is ultimately the marker of whether it's any good or 
> >>>>> not..
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> In many ways Push makes much more sense than a traditional 
> >>>>> keyboard for
> >>>>> performing and composing electronic music since it allows any 
> >>>>> scalar
> >>>>> mapping
> >>>>> of notes and makes that mapping intuitive by providing visual 
> >>>>> feedback..
> >>>>> In
> >>>>> this way it seems to let the player find relationships between 
> >>>>> notes
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> sounds that don't rigidly adhere to the c-major scale structure of 
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> piano-style keyboard.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> This is how it should be for electronic music, which is not being
> >>>>> limited
> >>>>> to the physical mechanisms of objects like the piano.  The piano
> >>>>> keyboard
> >>>>> was an elegant invention but it resulted to some degree from the
> >>>>> physical
> >>>>> requirements of whacking strings with little hammers.  Electronic 
> >>>>> music
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> completely free from such physical connections but, with some 
> >>>>> expensive
> >>>>> exceptions (e.g. the Haken Continuum), instrument or interface 
> >>>>> design
> >>>>> has
> >>>>> lagged a long way behind what programmers and sound designers have
> >>>>> achieved.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Push looks like a step in the right direction in that respect.  
> >>>>> It's
> >>>>> not
> >>>>> revolutionary in concept but it appears to have been very well 
> >>>>> done -
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> least I hope so!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Philip.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --On 07 March 2013 12:15 +0100 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> 
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:36 AM, michael noble <looplog@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> http://www.weareroli.com/
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Anyone know anything more about this company or the controller?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Looks cool, like a "piano submarine" :-)  A little thin on 
> >>>>>> information
> >>>>>> that page, isn't it? From the video it seems as notes are located 
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> linear way, similar to a piano?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I must say I'm more intrigued by Ableton's new instrument Push, 
> >>>>>> due to
> >>>>>> its non linear location of notes. The chromatic scale layout on 
> >>>>>> Push
> >>>>>> is based on rows differing by a fourths and this creates what to 
> >>>>>> me
> >>>>>> seems to very playable note locations. In fact, the hand patterns 
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>>> the same as if tapping a fourths tuned fretted string instrument.
> >>>>>> Another aspect I like with the Push is that some notes appear at
> >>>>>> several positions and can be played in unison but with different
> >>>>>> attack/expression, this too in common with fretted string 
> >>>>>> instruments..
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I've been using an Akai EWI4000s for some years and think it is 
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> most (musically) expressive MIDI controller instruments I've come
> >>>>>> across. Since it is based on breath control rather than
> >>>>>> hitting-something-with-a-hand velocity it a challenge to program 
> >>>>>> good
> >>>>>> synth patches to play. I think Yamaha was great in the 80s with 
> >>>>>> breath
> >>>>>> control but since then not much product development seems to have
> >>>>>> happend im this area. THat's odd, thinking about how a simple 
> >>>>>> hose to
> >>>>>> blow into increases the expressiveness of any simple keyboard.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Greetings from Sweden
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Per Boysen
> >>>>>> www.perboysen.com
> >>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> --
> >>>> Mark Francombe
> >>>> www.markfrancombe.com
> >>>> www.ordoabkhao.com
> >>>> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> >>>> http://www.looop.no
> >>>> twitter @markfrancombe
> >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
> >>> 
> >> 
> >