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Re: reducing "time to setup"--

Thanks folks for all of your input ... and output. :-)

Amy, I'm with you on this idea that the building is also interesting
and entertaining for the audience, and so long as it is intentional
and musical, it's cool.

I'm a bit averse to using previously recorded material, in large part
because I'm a bit forgetful and adhd and, well, i might not like it
again the 10th time around and I might want to change the tempo or
repetitions. :-) The only time I've used a prerecorded loop was at a
wedding one time when they wanted a particular song played during the
processional, and I had to play melody, and didn't want to loop the
backing there on the spot. It worked.
That having been said, I like this idea of having only certain
elements, snippets of things which may then be prerecorded and looped,
or brought in and out. So the performance becomes the spontaneous

I'll definitely have to look in to a looper with the multiply
functions. I need a new looper anyway. I think I've outgrown my RC20.

At this point, about the only options I have with that are
overdubbing, or starting a song cold, singing and playing, and then
recording and looping a section of guitar as I'm playing. So that
another guitar just magically appears in the mix. That's pretty fun.

I'm enjoying this thread!


On 12/6/13, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On 06/12/2013 00:03, Amy X Neuburg wrote:
>> The most basic answer is: without any sort of "cheating" there is no way
>> to minimize the ramp-up,
> while I disagree with the above.......
>> So my best advice is to think carefully about each individual layer to
>> make sure it is in itself musical.
> .....that's  spot on.
> ( worth applying to non-looped music too! )
> Plus learn to go directly into overdub without waiting for the layers to 
> "go
> round",
> that makes a big difference.
> Apart from that there's any number of techniques, but the main one for
> a more regular type structure is this:-
>   Depending on the capability of your looper, the early layers can be 
> much
> shorter in length
>      than the "final loop"
>      for example:-
>             i) record a one bar rhythm (percussion)
>             ii) record a 2 bar bass line, simple enough to underpin a 
> more
> complex harmony
>             iii) then you can add a chordal part 16bars, 32 bars
> ...whatever
>       If the looping device is so designed it lets you do all that on
>       just one loop, using something called "Multiply" or "Re-Sample".
>       Otherwise it's necessary add loops to get that.
> Also  just take time to check out some of the guys on this list and note 
> how
> *they* do it.
>      Usually this means some kind of interaction with technology...the 
> loop
> device gets to be an instrument.
>> You can also cheat,
> It's just my own aesthetic here, but if you're going to pre-record
> significant bits
> why not just pre record all of it?
>> In putting out my songs on CD I occasionally shorten the lead-in time
> To edit a loop performance for repeated listening is not uncommon.
>> My way too many cents.
> not at all...appreciated
> Andy