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Re: reducing "time to setup"--

Another approach to speeding ramp time on a live loop performance—

--utilize a Shuffle script to reorder the bars of your initial loop in 
order to create a B section or a C section.  If you are clever about 
relative major/minor relationships, you can get at most diatonic chord 
professions this way.   

There is a useful Mobius script in the Circular Labs forum that will cut 
the loop into a specified number of bars (Slices) and then reorder the 
slices according to a sequence of bar numbers.  If you decide to go the 
Mobius route, reach out to me offline and I will share several relevant 
scripts with you.


On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks folks for all of your input ... and output. :-)
> Amy, I'm with you on this idea that the building is also interesting
> and entertaining for the audience, and so long as it is intentional
> and musical, it's cool.
> I'm a bit averse to using previously recorded material, in large part
> because I'm a bit forgetful and adhd and, well, i might not like it
> again the 10th time around and I might want to change the tempo or
> repetitions. :-) The only time I've used a prerecorded loop was at a
> wedding one time when they wanted a particular song played during the
> processional, and I had to play melody, and didn't want to loop the
> backing there on the spot. It worked.
> That having been said, I like this idea of having only certain
> elements, snippets of things which may then be prerecorded and looped,
> or brought in and out. So the performance becomes the spontaneous
> arrangement.
> I'll definitely have to look in to a looper with the multiply
> functions. I need a new looper anyway. I think I've outgrown my RC20.
> 8)
> At this point, about the only options I have with that are
> overdubbing, or starting a song cold, singing and playing, and then
> recording and looping a section of guitar as I'm playing. So that
> another guitar just magically appears in the mix. That's pretty fun.
> I'm enjoying this thread!
> Thanks!
> Rusty
> On 12/6/13, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 06/12/2013 00:03, Amy X Neuburg wrote:
>>> The most basic answer is: without any sort of "cheating" there is no 
>>> way
>>> to minimize the ramp-up,
>> while I disagree with the above.......
>>> So my best advice is to think carefully about each individual layer to
>>> make sure it is in itself musical.
>> .....that's  spot on.
>> ( worth applying to non-looped music too! )
>> Plus learn to go directly into overdub without waiting for the layers 
>> to "go
>> round",
>> that makes a big difference.
>> Apart from that there's any number of techniques, but the main one for
>> a more regular type structure is this:-
>>  Depending on the capability of your looper, the early layers can be 
>> much
>> shorter in length
>>     than the "final loop"
>>     for example:-
>>            i) record a one bar rhythm (percussion)
>>            ii) record a 2 bar bass line, simple enough to underpin a 
>> more
>> complex harmony
>>            iii) then you can add a chordal part 16bars, 32 bars
>> ...whatever
>>      If the looping device is so designed it lets you do all that on
>>      just one loop, using something called "Multiply" or "Re-Sample".
>>      Otherwise it's necessary add loops to get that.
>> Also  just take time to check out some of the guys on this list and 
>> note how
>> *they* do it.
>>     Usually this means some kind of interaction with technology...the 
>> loop
>> device gets to be an instrument.
>>> You can also cheat,
>> It's just my own aesthetic here, but if you're going to pre-record
>> significant bits
>> why not just pre record all of it?
>>> In putting out my songs on CD I occasionally shorten the lead-in time
>> To edit a loop performance for repeated listening is not uncommon.
>>> My way too many cents.
>> not at all...appreciated
>> Andy