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Dumb question again

Hi again

So I''m going to get a Looperlative but have an unusual opportunity to get a cheaper unit in the mean time. A friend wants to buy me one so we can fiddle while I'm in the Bay Area. I know this is not a simple question and there's no clear and simple answer but...

I can buy an old LExicon JamMan on ebay. There's two that don't appear to have the upgrades.
The Digitech Jamman
Boss RC 50
When I first asked about this some folks said to get a cheaper unit and see how the world of looping works for me etc. I guess it makes sense. I'm aiming to do something like Bill Walker does - acoustic stuff... inspired by Michael Hedges etc. What do you use, Bill?

Should I just bit the bullet and buy the looper and control pedals etc? Part of me says to go ahead and do that but the frugal part of me says test the water first.

And I'm sorry I mentioned the dreaded 'chops' word the other day. I think I was misunderstood. For me, chops is simply the ability to play what you want to play well. It has nothing to do with pyrotechnics, which I don't pursue... or going to Berklee or 32nd notes etc. My particular interest in chops is being able to make the guitar moan... and drawing out the glorious tone of the instrument & making it work.

As one of you said, it all boils down to creativity. I support any music that's creative and has passion. I just start to day dream out when that's not there.

I appreciate found music and mistakes. And I recorded Miles Davis once (with Jim Smith)... so I am deep into the glory of accidents with music. I love Eric Dolphy and Blind Willie Johnson, Charles Ives and Charlie Parker, Robert Johnson and Robert Dylan - it's a very long list. Actually, I try to not judge other's music really. It's not my business. I was just impressed with how INCREDIBLY simple my daughter wanted the guitar to be. Simple is very good. In some ways simple is much harder than complex. It's just, once you figure out the parts, it LOOKS like you've been playing the guitar for a month or two. But that's just ego and ego... well...

Anyhow, back to the looper. I don't need any effects etc or reverse looping etc for my current needs. Just simple looping and a relatively easy way to switch from Loop A to B, maybe to C and back and forth. And I'm very sorry to ask this. I know it's an incredibly stupid and hard question to answer without more data.


richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.

On 22-Jun-06, at 5:49 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

I acutally like the Fender Twin and Jazz JC-120 tones of my Boss VF1s, and when is started this every Monday night jazz gig, I used them with my powered PA speakers....but, it's still too much shit and technology for me to worry about for a traditional jazz gig. Like many jazzers I know, I want to walk in with my guitar strapped on my back and one small amp in my hand....set the amp down, plug in with one patch chord and simply play. I can setup and be playing in 5 minutes.

Moreover, I just bought a Roland Cube 30 and I'm really looking forward to using it when it gets here. Now I can take more time selling my Boogie Mark I....which I am now selling with a 1X12 Mesa Boogie Thiele cabinet (sealed and ported)....both for $1000. The cabinets alone often sell for $250 used on eBay.


----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

Mark has a point, i too love the vox modeler, and I've had good results
running into my mackie sm 350's the smaller lighter weight brothers to the
sm450s, which I know some of you JBL fans think are harsh sounding. I say
balderdash they souund great. Now I also like the tube combo/ stomp box
route which can get expensive, but still sounds the best to my ears. Do take
note that the vox people did not see fit to model a transistor amp, not jazz
chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set maybe the vox ain't for
you. But a great fender twin model is hard to beat, if you can't lug around
the real thing and remember that most of the classic electric jazz was
recorded on tube gear, amps, preamps, compressors, etc...having daid that I
realy liked the sound of the jazzmaster UL, it had a beautifull clean sound,
a nice smooth singing overdrive channel, and spartan yet decent sounding
effects. And its tiny, and light.

-----Original Message-----
From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:27 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

Why not ditch the guitar amp concept in favor of a
modeler? I swear by mine (Vox Tonelab) and 90% of
gigs have a PA anyway. Those that don't are probably
not worth doing or you could probably get by with some
of the lighter powered speakers like the JBLs. I keep
a combo amp around anyway, but it rarely gets used.


--- ditch wrestler <ditchwrestler@yahoo.com> wrote:

I think that amp and cab was reviewed in the
latest/very recent issue of Guitar Player...


William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
Under amps, look under the heading ultralight, The
amp is called oddly
enough, the Jazz master ultra light..

-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:15 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

What model is that Bill? I'm on the Fender site now
and can't find anything
called a jazz amp.

The FM 25 DSP looks interesting:



----- Original Message -----
From: "William Walker"
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

> The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very
small , loud as you would
> need, and nice simple effects. and its a head
cabinet design that uses
> speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good.
> Bill
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krispen Hartung
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo
> Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie
would be fairly slim. I'd
> be willing to make a trade if someone had the
right gear. I love the amp
> and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit
overkill and heavy for me (I
> have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use
the boogie just for my
> monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of
gettting a Roland Cube
> 30
> because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it
has a lot of
> effects...anybody have one?
> My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily
for delay, chorus, and
> reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really
does have nice verb,
> and
> the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like
a a multi-effects box.
> It
> is a bit challenging to program, however. If
someone has the patience to
> get
> inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest
software, then you can get
> some
> interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide
or TC Electronics
> Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little
effects box.
> I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1
units as well.....need
> to
> give that more thought, however, as I'm in love
with those little red
> boxes.
> :)
> Kris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tEd � kiLLiAn"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo
>> Kris,
>> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager
>> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space
>> you mentioned on the list the other day however.
>> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor
for me.
>> But a really good processor (or two) with some
>> creative potential sounds attractive.
>> Anything more you care to say about them?
>> Ted
>> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung
>>> Any takers? It's a beauty.
>>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm
>>> Kris

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