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  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:35 AM
  Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, 
  Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81
  
I’ve owned all of these. Each offers unique pleasures, to be 
  sure, but the serious contenders for max mangling are only the Eventide 
  and the FireworX, and I'd go for the Eventide without hesitating.
  
  My takes on each:
  PCM-81...a big disappointment as a mangler, even with all the add-on 
  preset cards; opaque (but admittedly deep) interface, and really not a 
  multi-effector; it’s a multi-delay--get the PSP software version and 
  forget this one.
  
  G-Force...routing and modulation heaven with a great interface, always 
  have 8 types of effect available in any possible order/config, but effects 
  quite conventional; pitch-shifting nowhere near as cool as the Eventide. With 
  clever, patient programming, it can do some wild morphing stuff because of the 
  deep mod options and many simultaneous fx, not because of having unusual 
  effects.
  
  FireworX...should have been a G-Force on steroids, since it’s packed with 
  odd effects for sonic mayhem, but it's seriously crippled by low horsepower; 
  even tho its got lots of modules to pick from, it’s impossible to load 
  more than 2 or 3 without maxing the thing out. Same mod power and great 
  interface as the G-F, but what's the point of infinite routing options if 
  you've only got 2-3 effects going?? I sold my G-Force to get one and regretted 
  it immediately. I hated pretty much all the presets and never found anything 
  in it I loved exploring. I'm sure it would repay deep, committed investigation 
  because of the weird effects available, esp. in concert with other devices. 
  Too bad neither tc device will send its ultra mod power to external devices 
  via MIDI control...
  
  The Eclipse will only disappoint if you’re expecting or used to the kind 
  of endless programmability you’d get with a tc, or DSP-Eventide; it’s a two 
  slot device with fixed algorithms, but these are rich and complex, covering 
  all the basics in deluxe style, and filtered multi-delays exceptionally 
  well...plus it’s got that multi-pitch-shifting thing that nothing else can 
  quite duplicate. It sounds so magnificent you’d never regret having one, 
  unless it only makes you yearn for an H8000. 
  
  You’ve already got really cool ring-mod-ing and some rudimentary 
  "synth-fx" with your VF-1s; actually, it seems that low-end hardware is where 
  you’re most likely to find the richest collection of unique-if-cheesy fx, all 
  of which would benefit enormously from an Eventide fairy-dusting 
  down-stream. 
  
  You already know my opinion of Reaktor as the weirdest and most endlessly 
  re-thinkable multi-fx to beat, right? Too bad that's not working yet with the 
  Receptor.....
  
  Have fun!
  dc
  
  
  
  
  
  
  On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
  
    I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide 
    Eclipse, TC Electronic Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon 
    PCM81.