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Regarding David Myers' inquiry about "realtime video output from audio sources" (Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 91/Subject: Re: Any Video Loopers?), I thought you might be interested to hear about a couple of vintage projects I did in the early 80's. In early '81, I was living in Norman, Oklahoma collaborating with an ever changing & expanding group of artists/musicians. We would change our name & members for every improvisational music project we created. In late March I was awarded a full scholarship to get a Masters degree at The Art Institute of Chicago, & in April we began a month long marathon of projects before I moved. One of these projects was "Monitor Control/Control Monitor". It consisted of three musicians spontaneously performing while I video taped the performance. I had developed this technique of spontaneously zooming & panning a video camera based on what was happening musically. The musicians would be conducted by the movement of the video camera displayed on a monitor before them, & I would be influenced how to shoot the video based on the music performance. The audio was recorded using a tape loop system. The end results were both interesting & rewarding! We successfully created a "performance/documentation loop"!!! Another project, done with two other artists at the Art Institute of Chicago in 1982, was "Night Emerges Day" (it was thusly titled, as we had spent all night setting up the equipment, & finally were recording the piece as the sun was rising!). A real-time video art piece consisting of an audio & video loop, using a custom modular EMU synthesizer & the Sandin Image Processor (IP), mixed with Zgrass computer animation (Zgrass was the first computer hardware & software designed specifically for art & animation). The EMU was sending control voltage to the IP, affecting the oscillation of image & color, while the IP was sending control voltage to the EMU, affecting the frequency of pitch & filter. Again, the results were extremely interesting & rewarding! We had successfully created a "live interactive technology loop"!!! For me, "looping" exists in many forms! Stevo Wolfson sTeVo iN yR sTuDiO Pupaum http://www.angelfire.com/il/StevoInYrStudio/index.html stevaum@aol.com