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I have no idea who you talked to in 96, but the EDP was never that cheap. I remember looking into it around 93 and it was in the neighborhood of $600. Memory is a bit fuzzy, so I'm not sure about this. One thing I'm amazed at is that people still seemingly pay $600 for used ones on ebay all the time. This made sense when they were hard to get, but now? Weird. Also, I see that the vintage "Blonde" models are selling for $600. Add another $100 for the new software and you've got a $700 looper. The EDP+ is selling for $800! Does the "+" warrant an extra $100? The EDP does seem expensive to me, considering I bought my Repeaters for $525, but tack on another $75 for more memory and it does put the Repeater in the same range as the EDP. You can't really compare the two, but if you're looking for a stereo unit, the Repeater comes in a lot cheaper... even at the currently inflated ebay prices. I think Matthias once said, "the edp is basically a Macintosh SE30." Am I remembering that correctly? Is the EDP is an SE30 with extra DSP circuits and audio hardware? Regardless, it seems very odd to me to work with this old architecture, when huge advances in computer hardware have been made since it's original design. This is an old thread though. I think the conclusion we made was that this all could happen... if there was money in it. Intel makes a P5 because they know millions (billions?) will eventually be sold. More than enough to justify the R&D and come away with a profit. The EDP is a VERY niche market. Notice the demise of the Repeater. Cheap? Sure. Really cool and useful? AND HOW. Couldn't sustain itself? UH HUH! If the Repeater had been flying out the door, they probably would have continued it's development, as would Gibson have continued it's development of the EDP. The truth of the matter is we loopers are a fairly rare breed and the hardware we use is probably going to be considered esoteric for quite some time unless someone figures out a successful marketing scheme to pave the way for mass appeal of live looping. Here's the real kick in the ass: I believe that one of the problems here is with US. I think most of us love our little secret looping devices and techniques and this tiny community we've built. I remember a thread about marketing looping to a broader audience that was met with huge resistance by a lot of list members. Pissed me the hell off. As if having a label would change what we were doing, people refused to be described. The price for this freedom? $800 The fun you'll have looping: Priceless. Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 04:51 AM, Eric Williamson wrote: > i think that it's overpriced for > 2003. when i first looked into getting an EDP for myself back in 1996, > the > price that the local music store gave me was 390 bucks. when i finally > got the > money together to order one it had risen to 580. it is now TWICE what > i was > originally quoted. that is not following inflation.