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Re: My two cents and a question for all concerning mixers--was re:MIDI Foot controllers?

Hi Will,

Thanks for the opportunity to think about my perfect looping mixer. A few
thoughts below:

I currently use a keyboard and 2 synth modules controlled by a MIDI wind
controller, they all have stereo outs. I also use a miced up soprano 
and a flute, oh and a drum machine. 

So, 1. good easy to see and feel layout so that its quick and 
to get to a control quickly at a gig. I wonder about different sized knobs 
well as colours and knobs with pointers.

Rackmount (2U). All wiring on rear except for mono (mXLR and jack) inputs 
the front. 

Plenty of stereo channels + a couple of mono channels with decent mic pres 
phantom power.

Simple but thoughtful EQ on mono channels but for me, sends are more 
than EQ on stereo channels. Good metering too. A good powerful headphone 
with solo/pfl, so sounds can be checked before going out to 
main outputs and without effecting what's coming from the main outs.

2 post-fade and 1 pre-fade send 

My most important bit for a looping mixer is to come up with some way 
by MIDI or other footswitch and pedal arrangement) to be able to control
channel (post-fade) sends during performance. I would like to (say) be 
able to
send one synth to my looper, then another, to be able to fade aux sends up 
down by foot rather than by hand. I know that there would be compromises 
but it would be great to have some external control over sends.

As for the cost I guess around 200 (UK) If it had the right features. 
are lots of good mixers at really low prices on the market and we cope with
compromises, but for a mixer designed for looping, I'd pay this but not too
much more. I have a good more fully featured desk in my studio but for
I want something very specific that would be permenantly wired up in a 
case, I wouldn't want too many features that I don't use.

I'll be interested to hear other peoples' replies - they'll probably get me
more clear too.



At 17:26 09/07/03 , you wrote:
>Hello all, after a few years off, I'm back. LOL
>If you think about it, all the talk about manuals makes sense. Most
>companies are producing their technical writing on computers, so it
>isn't a hassle to convert to a PDF and upload to a website. To convert a
>manual, on the other hand, takes hours and people. Additionally,
>bandwidth costs money. Imagine how much money it would cost Roland to
>have all the 'legacy' product manuals online! Personally, I'd rather pay
>less for the products!
>We're currently working on a compact mixer, one or two rack spaces,
>designing with the looping community in mind. Obviously running MOST FX
>in parallel is preferred and we are taking this into consideration. I
>have a few questions for the group:
>First, in a perfect world, what would you fantasy mixer be able to do?
>(please keep your lewd thoughts and comments to yourself)
>Second, in the real world, what would you be willing to pay for such a
>We have concerns about quality/reliability and prefer to use the best
>components rather than make an inferior product. I know the looping
>community is growing, but is still a smaller portion of the market. As
>such, developing a product for said market can be expensive, but we are
>committed to the task. Please keep this in mind when you consider what
>you would pay for a 'dream mixer'.
>We'll have a naming contest in the future, probably long after we hammer
>out the features contained in the mixer.
>This should be fun!!
>Will Brake
>Soul Fruit Electronics
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg House
>Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:08 PM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: MIDI Foot controllers?
>--- Paul Sanders <paul_sanders@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> Yeah. My Roland SPD-S manual really blows. 
>Haha! It's a ROLAND manual! They're notoriously bad. I haven't seen a
>recent one,
>but the old ones were so poorly translated that it was hilarious to try
>and read
>them. You'd think a company with that much resources could afford to
>hire at
>least one person who was FLUENT in the languages involved (at least in
>primary world languages).
>> The other thing that irritates the hell out of me about Roland is they
>> make the manuals available online. Makes researching capabilities
>> difficult!
>Yes, that's bothered me too. I think it's because they want to charge
>you a lot
>for replacement print copies. Something like $20 for a little thin
>manual last
>time I checked. I love companies like Line 6 that put all their docs
>online (and
>updates as well).
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