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Not neccessarily my FAVORITE technique, but still one I like. On the EDP I get a short loop going with a distinct downbeat. Then I hit multiply and watch the counter, as soon as I see it go from "1" to "2", I hit record. Now I have almost the same loop, but its just a tiny bit longer (slower) and it has a double downbeat in a stuttery sort of way. I keep doing this until its really slow and stuttery. (Andre does a similar thing using a sus-insert command to insert tiny little snippets, which gives the illusion that the loop is slowing down in a granular sort of way). In the same way, you can speed a loop up by an unrounded multiply the ends just before the loop is done. You can keep doing this until your loop is 02 seconds long and you just have a bone-chilling buzzing noise coming out... Jon