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My take on this has always been that if it's applied to sound after the fact, then it's an effect. If it's an integral part of the playing then it's part of the instrument. How many electric guitarists play "guitar", rather than (at least) "guitar plus amplifier" ? I also ponder - to the player in the midst of performance, what's the real difference between changing picking strength, or bowing style, or pressure on keys, or adjusting any other parameter involved in producing their sound ? Also, could there be a difference in viewpoint between those who devote time to acquiring the craft of a traditional instrument as a craft in itself ("if I know the instrument well, I will be able to express whatever idea comes to mind eventually"), and those simply acquire enough technique to express whatever ideas come to mind ? Interesting topic ! - Tony ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html