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> Per wrote: > I'd love to hear more how people use loopers to > implement certain common musical goals. For example stuff like "making > bass lines", "chord progressions" and "balancing harmony with > disorder". One of the most difficult techniques in looping is to make > the music evolve into orchestration and arrangement quickly enough. > What techniques do people fall back on in order to make the music > interesting listening right from the start? Per, good question. I'm often struggling with the mid/end section when doing improv's. Lack of contrast, no climax, structure or arrangement problems...that kind of issues. On the other hand, my sounds are OK, my intro's too but I have to fall back too often using technical tricks and effects like fade in/out, analog delays, half speed, reverse etc....because it's easy. Something like "if it's getting boring" we press some pedals to force a change. Yes, that can lead to a new passage in your performance but it does not always work. Worse, sometimes you end up with a mess and you don't know what to do next :) I usually than decide to end the song using a fade out and start with a new one. Problem solved but it would be better if I had a kind plan or structure in my mind before you start the performance. A trick which does help is trying to add something interesting in your song every 1 minute...a new gimmick, catchy pattern, a kind of chorus etc. But I often have no idea how long I'm playing already and I simply forget these things :) So I need to think more about structure and come up with a plan for let's a 10-15 min Ambient improvisation. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw