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Word on the street is that if you want *the best* then the Axe-FX is
the route to go:


I have no experience with them but the demos sound great: (even with
youtube compression)


The cost seems prohibitive to me, but if you've got the cash and want
the best maybe it's worth it. I found my Vox Tonelab/VF-1 combo to be
good enough for me, and Amplitube to be even better. One thing that
sold me on the software route is that if I want to do something that's
not possible in a hardware set up without a bunch of re-routing I can
do it effortlessly and then call it up as a preset.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jeff Duke<jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> thanks Andy,
> but you did answer it really. It's funny but i recently compiled alot of 
> tunes for release on Bandcamp. I realized that the best (meaning my
> favorite) sounds were all direct into the board recordings. i have used
> whatever amp/speaker modelers I had in whatever fx box I was using at the
> time. All the newer stuff was done while wearing headphones in a quiet
> apartment.
> I arrange it so that my chain is distortion/fuzz into amp modelers
> (currently Digitech RP 250 and or Korg AX 3000G) into modfx/delay/reverb
> into loopers into sometimes more mangle fx into mixer. Not the best way 
> there ya go. i stay stereo from the outputs of the multi fx boxes. i 
> want a proper mixer so that i can feed more of everything into everything
> else sort of :)
> All that said i still believe that a good real amp cranked up sounds 
> I just can't do that anymore in real life. I guess it come down to good 
> being subjective. I am always looking for "the" sound. hmmm, maybe this?
> http://www.beavisaudio.com/Projects/DBS/
> And your right about Bill Walker! He has the "tone"!
> First cup 'o coffee wearing off, gotta go get more!
> best,
> Jeff
> Ad astra per alia porci - Steinbeck
> http://jeffduke.org/
> http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace
> http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/
> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/loopydroneyglitchywacky-presents
> http://www.justin.tv/loopslab
> http://www.vimeo.com/jeffduke
> http://www.reverbnation.com/thejeffduke
> http://virb.com/jeffduke
> http://themineisthemind.blogspot.com/
> http://www.youtube.com/user/sticky899
> http://www.sugarat.org/tecbab/
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: MY NEW TOY
>> Jeff Duke wrote:
>>>> Rather than put two amp sims after the fx, surely it would be neater 
>>>> put one amp sim between guitar and fx.
>>> What would you recommend in a stereo amp sim Andy?
>>> Jeff
>> Oh, I'm probably the worst person to ask about amp sims ;-)
>> Ask Bill Walker.
>> I only really started playing electric guitar when I started looping,
>> and while I played bass through a nice valve setup for years I 
>> found that it just wouldn't reproduce the sort of playing I put into it.
>> (i.e. I used to sometimes get quite a lot going at once, but wasn't
>> willing to reduce the low frequency content of the sound.)
>> Hence I now use JBL Eons for everything, and don't possess a decent amp
>> sim.
>> Currently I'm experimenting with a Moogerfooger Lo-pass to mellow
>> out the fuzzy tones from my ADA MP1 valve pre.
>> However, the raw fuzz/overdrive sounds I use sound ok to me, and it 
>> also to the audience. Only knowledgeable guitarists have sometimes
>> to worried that I have a flat battery somewhere ;-)
>> Generally, I reckon that for a looping device, a clean full range sound 
>> preferable
>> so that the layers can remain distinct in the mix.
>> Hence I would always put an amp sim before the looper, rather than 
>> Then it would be possible to build up a mix using different amp tones.
>> My guess was that Ted wanted to "ampify" his pa speakers by putting a
>> stereo
>> amp sim (two SansAmps) just in front of them.
>> It's a different approach...and I don't doubt he'd make it work.
>> I'd say 'hope that helps', only as I didn't
>> answer the question......   :-)
>> andy