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Just because the new things are based or have some references to the old things, doesnt make them NOT NEW... The Beatles were not new... they were just trying to sound like ... oh I dunno... Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, but they did it better and included references to OTHER types of music, like Indian and English Seaside Fun fair music, and Folk. I posted this before... but I am loving "Shining" in Norway right now, its a supergroup made up of old Black Metal dudes (now they have stopped burning churches and killing each other) and young Jazz dudes. Its not NEW... could be alot of older things and is basically just metal (which I usually hate) but its "genre hopping" is what makes it acceptable to another audience. Noise (ala´Merzbow etc) is not NEW... I have been following Massima since the 80´s, but the ultra distorted sounds that he created in his uncompromising way have found their way into mainstream Hip Hop (Dalek, Danger Doom) and pop (Mia). Personally Im into listening to extremely glitchy electronic music right now.. heres my latest. Ametsub - The Nothings of the North Antansex - Quanta Craig Vear - Crevasse Blue Ghost - In Stormy Nights Kabutogani - BETOP Khalija - Khalija EP Manathol - BAKETO Panda Bear - Person Pitch Not all are brand spanking new, all are since 2005 I think.. and most are rather glitchy, which is a bit old I guess, but how fast do things have to change to make you happy? -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no