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On 7 Nov 2011, at 12:54, william middlemiss wrote: > Once you give up 'hard borders' and look for the result (music) and not > dwell on the method, music becomes possible. there never have been hard borders for anything related to music whenever you want to grab music its not there any more yet its more real than matter is! > > When I was 'arguing' (I cant even call it that because my position > lacked force, and that was intentional) I found it difficult even to > define a process as 'live looping' or not. I mean, I could listen to a > 'looper' all day, but I'd rather hear a musician. sure! if you listen to say Rypdal or Eberhard Weber you do not think of Jazz either if you ever "listen to Jazz" :-)