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Re: Survey: Echoloop + LG Users: Instant Multiply?

On 01/01/2015 11:49, Per Boysen wrote:
I doubt it will be possible

I use it all the time.
Hit Nextloop ...EDP waits
Hit Mult (no. of cycles+1) times.
EDP multiplys by (no. of cycles) in new loop.

because in the EDP and Echoloop Multiply
is a real-time process; you really have to let the playback roll all
the way... and a real-time process can not be made "instant" with
nifty LG control scripting.

indeed, it's not the 'instant multiply' as available elsewhere,
...but I don't think that matters.

The loop length is defined in advance, without having to wait.

In practice the only difference is that any input will be overdubbed for 
the length
of the new loop.

The 'Insert' idea won't help, I'm afraid,
it's no more "instant" than Mult.
(You must be thinking of Stutter Mode here, so
it's not quite as insane an idea as I first thought.)


Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 11:56 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> 
Hi Phil,

On the EDP I just hit Multiply as quick as possible,
and it works fine.

So there exists the possibility that this is an Echoloop bug.

...but really I need your Echoloop settings to know whats going on.

I suspect that adjustment of the SamplerStyle parameter will help.

or Quantise?

If not, it's possible to delay the LG by a fixed number of midi-beats.
Lets not go there just yet.


On 01/01/2015 09:07, Phil Clevenger wrote:

Okay all you Echoloop & Little Giant people…

I’ve spent two days on this problem and now I must come to you :)

*Goal: To create a command on the LG that will result in effectively an
“Instant Multiply” like we see on the LP1 or in Mobius. “Go to next loop,
copy and multiply x 4.” Or: “Go to Loop 3 and multiply x 3 cycles.” That
kind of thing.*

For the Echoloop, it’s harder that it seems like it ought to be:

The problem is, Echoloop/EDP uses “Multi-Increase” to accomplish such
stuff - and that’s great, but it’s also a hassle. If I want x4, that’s
*four* tap dance steps. I want to do this in one :)

On the LG, I can execute Next Loop, or Go To Loop, and with SndMulti
active in the Echoloop, I’ll be in Multiply mode right away. Now, to 
the 4 note ons and note offs that four presses of Multiply would make, I 
program them into the same LG switch press… but the problem is, it’s very
important *when* those commands execute: they must execute *after* the
rounding period after I press the “Next Loop” switch, when we have arrived
in Multiply mode. Delaying messages by absolute times is supported by LG,
but that is useless as I will not always be reliably at the same tempo;
delaying by beats in the LG is useless too, as I cannot use the LG as my
clock, nor will I always know how many beats are required.

/The LG simply has no awareness of Echoloop states… /

So… anyone know how to make an Instant Multiply using these tools?

And yes - that’s how I’ve spent New Years Eve and the days leading up to
it :D


Thanks all -

Phil :)