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Hi Jeff - I am a fervant fan of Cycling '74. I have Pluggo, which has some amazing tone mangling and standard VST effects, and I plan to buy Hipno soon, which will allow me to morph my effects and parameters with a wave of my had over a motion sensor webcam. Now I am intrigued by Max/MSP. The routing seems great, and sort of reminds me of what I can do in EnergyXT, my VST host program. Now, what I am more curious about it what type of looping you can do with it. What looping tricks can you do? Can you do things like Multiply, Reverse, half-speed, double-speed, overdub, next loop, etc (sorry for the EDP terminology). Kris hi luca, I don't want to be redundant with our private emails: but I thought it worth repeating for the list.....This is one of the reasons I went with Max/MSP....big time flexibility of routing. Inside the max/MSP environment you can freely route/reroute audio paths/controller paths all over the place, making it perfect for hybrid rigs of laptop and other hardware, or pure software. And so many of the guys onboard Cycling 74 (I think all of them) are musicians....at least the ones I know personally: Andrew Pask, Gregory Taylor, Ben Nevile. best regards, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: > even if I am really surprised by music industry underconsideration > conceirning control capabilities, I have been analyzing audio >converters' > internal audio routing/splitting/mixing capabilities for 2 years now. > I use switchblades since many years but, given the growing availability >of > digital connections on processing hw and the shift from just hardware to > mixed setups composed by hw and sw, I think that audio interfaces offer >a > convenient solution to do this kind of complex audio spaghetti. > The problem resides in the midi implementation offered by their > manufacturers. None of them ( Rme said that officially and Motu by the > mouth of their italian importer) care about making this objects flexible > hearts for evoluted signal routing. > The most stupid thing is that they all have what they need, it's just a > matter of control so, like a famous italian commercial says "power is > nothing without control". > It's a shame, once again it looks like there are no musicians in the > manifacturers' teams. > best, > luca > www.unguitar.com